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Hide.. Paul says by grace are you saved THROUGH FAITH. Without Faith can't please God.

michaelhjsr (view profile)

Posted 2:38 pm, 07/11/2019

Hide.. Just a few more words... My words are Equal to Paul and anyone else that stands up for TRUTH.

((( as you see I say my words are Equal to Pauls because both are truth.))))

My words or Pauls words or ANY other person words ((( AIN'T ))) EQUAL to Jesus.

FALSE TEACHING WILL NEVER BE EQUAL to The Lord God Jesus Christ. PUT YOUR FAITH IN JESUS..
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You should have recognized that a word was missing because of the first sentence.. NO PERSON INTERPRETATIONS ARE EQUAL TO GOD. YOU GOT TO KEEP THE FAITH OBEDIENCE COMMITMENT TO JESUS. OK.
Hope you understand.

Where have I said one thing that is untrue? Calm down and read. Your words were "Paul's letters were very important to the people he wrote to. Today confusion." You also wrote "My words or Paul's or any other persons equal Christ." It takes a special kind of arrogance to claim that one's words are equal to Christ's. Paul nor any of the other Apostles did that. I certainly never have. Only you have said that Mikey. I would appreciate it if you would provide me a Bible verse to back that up.

You accuse me of lying but you said "Paul said faith not grace." In fact Paul wrote that is only through grace by faith that one is saved. He goes on to say that works can not save you. (Ephesians 2)

I am sorry that the fibs you surround yourself with are not scriptural. I am sorry that you are so confused. Perhaps if you had that faith you claim no one else has you could find the truth.

Hide.. Paul taught FAITH NOT GRACE... BUT CHRISTIAN HAVE MADE THERE GOD PAUL AND TRADITIONS OF THE CATHOLIC RELIGION. THE ANTICHRIST..
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But WITHOUT FAITH IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLEASE HIM: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Hide.. There you are lying. Never said Pauls teaching weren't important. Pauls words were very important to the people he was writing to. But today confusion. Pauls letters are Not The Gospels. You act like Pauls words can save a person. Nope only by the WORDS of Jesus are we saved THROUGH FAITH. When being TEMPTED by Satan Remember Demons flee they run from the name of Jesus. Read The Good News of Jesus the Christ. Savior. FAITH
According to you Christian. Jesus can't keep his people Saved. They must sin. Oh it that wrong on so many levels. Jesus said the WORDS he speaks are SPIRIT and LIFE. Jesus can Save and Keep you SAVED THROUGH FAITH. Put your heart in Jesus. John 8:51

So the Holy Spirit told you that Paul's teachings aren't important today?

Hmmm, that sounds like the blasphemy Jesus warned about. I am worried for you Mikey.

Even demons believe in God and tremble at the knowledge. Are you a demon Mikey or are you wishing that the Holy Spirit had sanctified your legalism?

Hide.. I put my Faith in The Father and Son because the Holy Spirit taught me... You can say what you will about Paul and his interpretations. Pauls letters were important to those Congragations being they were being infiltrated by Satan Christian religion. Just like today. You say you not Christian but yes you are. Satan is happy for people like you. Jesus taught to beware of people claiming to be Christ. Christian= christ like.. Read Timothy. Paul stood up against Satans religion then and now. I'm standing up for Jesus against Satan today.
Jesus is The Savior.
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Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that HEARETH MY WORD, and BELIEVETH on HIM THAT SENT ME,
( Do you Believe in the Father? If you do love HIM)
hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life

So sayeth Mikey of the Coven “My words are Equal to Paul and anyone else that stands up for TRUTH. My words or Pauls words or ANY other person words EQUAL to Jesus.” (posted 7/11/2019 at 2:38pm)

“For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith.” (Romans 12:3 (NASB))

Hmmm, a hard choice here, believe Mikey who now is claiming to know the mind of God and have insight equal with Jesus and the Apostles; or Paul who wrote “To me, the very least of all saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unfathomable riches of Christ. (Ephesians 3:8 (NASB))

I am reminded of the original sin “The serpent said to the woman, ‘You surely will not die! For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God [emphasis mine,] knowing good and evil.” (Genesis 3:5 (NASB))

Mikey, perhaps Jesus was speaking about you when He said “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” (John 8:44 (NASB))

Hide.. Just a few more words... My words are Equal to Paul and anyone else that stands up for TRUTH. My words or Pauls words or ANY other person words EQUAL to Jesus. FALSE TEACHING WILL NEVER BE EQUAL to The Lord God Jesus Christ. PUT YOUR FAITH IN JESUS.

1047.. Me Stubborn. Sure nuff. I'm a stubborn when it comes to lies.. Never cared for a liar or thief..
I CONFESS Jesus as Lord and Savior.
Not the words of Christianity my church says Paul say so therefore. Y'all do. Making Paul your Savior and Lord.
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Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

Hideously Terrible (view profile)

Posted 12:07 pm, 07/11/2019

Are you illiterate? Nowhere have I said Paul was the savior (nor did Paul). Thanks for trying to put words in my mouth, but that won’t work. I have said the words Paul wrote were divinely inspired and are Scripture. If you will remember Jesus granted his disciples the authority to teach in his name. He even promised that the Holy Spirit would teach them things He (Christ) knew they couldn’t comprehend during his time with them (John 16:12-15). You ignore some of Jesus’s words and try to brow beat others into your perverted belief system
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Hide. Oh my I thought you was a little bit smarter. If you put Pauls Letters Equal to those of Jesus. Paul is your Savior. That's the Problem. Them Christian has convinced people that its Pauls letters Not Jesus can save them through obedience to church. Sad that people that can read writing can confuse the two. John 3 :16 for God so loved the world. Not Christian Religion. That WHOEVER BELIEVED on his son . BELIEVED on The Son. How can you believe on the Sonthen turn to LISTENING to Paul letters. If you believed in Jesus you would not go to the Christian religion but to Jesus. There is nothing nobody can say. You know what sin is. Jesus brought the world KNOWLEDGE of Sin. (What must I do to Receive Eternal Life) You make the CHOICE to break the 10 Commandments. No body can make you keep them. Nobody can stop you EITHER from KEEPING Them. They are Spirit. You say you not Christian. You more Christian than You think They to have the words just like Satan. But to keep them. Different story.

Mhjsr is like a stubborn blind man walking along by a wall searching for the gate with his fingers. He has no idea whether to go north , south, east, or west, to stubborn to listen to anyone, and sure it has to be here somewhere. His problem the gate is lowly and he is searching to high. You will find it on your knees.

Are you illiterate? Nowhere have I said Paul was the savior (nor did Paul). Thanks for trying to put words in my mouth, but that won’t work. I have said the words Paul wrote were divinely inspired and are Scripture. If you will remember Jesus granted his disciples the authority to teach in his name. He even promised that the Holy Spirit would teach them things He (Christ) knew they couldn’t comprehend during his time with them (John 16:12-15). You ignore some of Jesus’s words and try to brow beat others into your perverted belief system.

Yes, In Matthew 19 Jesus told the man who was asking that keeping the commandments wasn’t enough to have eternal life. Instead He told the man to “come follow Me.” (verse 21)

It isn’t hard to find the Truth in the Bible, one doesn’t have to search that hard to find it. “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.” (John 3:16 (NASB)) Pretty simple truth wouldn’t you agree?

I think you finally hit the nail on the head with (and I quote from the The Good News According to Mikey) : “Just like these post are my post but also are inspired by God”

Don’t try to blame your confusion and denial and whatever problems you have with the whole Bible on God. “For God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.” (1 Corinthians 14:33)

Hide.. Them Christian today take a little Paul here a little Paul there and There it is. Saved by Grace? How would you receive unmerited favor? Do you get it by being disobedient . Is Paul asking a question? Paul said by grace are you saved THROUGH FAITH. If you don't mind answering. Does Paul state that THROUGH FAITH we RECEIVE The Grace required to STAY SAVED FREE???

Hide.. Its ok you read the words that Paul is the Savior The Judge. So if I follow the teaching of Christianity and not do as Jesus say. I receive Eternal Life? Pauls letters are that his letters. Just like these post are my post but also are inspired by God. We must search for truth in the Book. Now where do I find truth? Do I continue listening to the multiple Christian Religion hoping to fund truth or do I go to the source. Jesus brought the Good News of Eternal Life and How to achieve it. Faith. Do you believe in the Father? Do you believe that Jesus is the Fulfillment of Prophecies of the Old Testament. That Old COVENANT. Jesus came in the Authority of The Father. Jesus took back all what he told Moses privately. Jesus couldn't take back the Word ( 10 Commandments) that They Heard from the MOUNTAIN. God spoke to the world the ten commandments. But who heard them? Did the world hear them at that time? Probably not. Only those that prepared themselves heard The Voice of God Covenant. God said those that Obey his Voice would be his people and them their God. So now you have the Mediator Moses telling the Hebrew Nation how to act and live through HIS LAWS. You see works by hands and laws of Moses GONE by Jesus.. Now who did The Father make Mediator for The World?
Jesus or Christianity..
For your reading enjoyment open your eyes . read through your heart. Never can tell. Maybe you will start to look for truth..
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And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?

18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

((( nothing anyone does is good enough to receive the gift that Jesus offers. Its ONLY through FAITH and OBEDIENCE we receive Life)))

19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.

21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

Mikey: Thanks for the good advice, but truth be told, I read Galatians last week and have moved on since then. But, I agree, Galatians is a good place to go in our continuing discussion.

I think that one thing you and I do not agree on is the purpose of the Epistles. You say they are “interpretations” of the Gospel and as such have little value. I counter that the Epistles are the inspired words of God through the Holy Spirit and as such are as credible as anything written in Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. I say that without fear of ****ation because Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were also written by men who were inspired by the Holy Spirit. If the Epistles contradicted anything that Christ said then there would be issues, but as they do not contradict but only further our understanding of Christ’s message they are not “interpretations” of anything.

You are right when you say that Paul wrote his letters to various and sundry churches to address concerns that he had. Isn’t it amazing (“glorious” is another word I would use, perhaps even “divinely inspired” is even a better turn of phrase) that the things Paul wrote are universal and apply to the Church even today. I doubt Paul ever once thought that you and I would be quoting what he wrote some 2,000 years after he wrote it and I am as equally sure that Paul had no idea that his words would be needed to guide the Church even today.

In Galatians we find that Paul is writing because the Galatian church had started to turn away from the Gospel of Christ. Some people (not Apostles) had come along teaching legalism. Most specifically they were teaching that men had to be circumcised before they could “be saved” [my words.] In today’s world there are those who come and try to teach that it only by keeping certain laws can one be saved. Paul teaches us that righteousness in not based on the law (Gal. 3:21.)

One might try and pervert this truth by saying that, under faith then one can sin as much as one wants. Galatians 5:13 tells us not to allow our freedom in Christ to become an opportunity for the flesh. Later in Chapter 5 Paul gives us a whole list of “deeds of the flesh” including immorality, impurity, sensuality, outburst of anger, disputes, drunkenness and carousing among others (verses 19-21). Paul goes on to say those who practice these fleshly pleasures will not inherit the kingdom of God. Meaning, that if we abuse our freedom from the “Law” and give into our base desires (sin) we are not following Christ.

Paul, then gives us a list of what the Christ following life should be. It includes love and joy, peace and patience, kindness and goodness, faithfulness and gentleness and self-control (verses 22-23.)

One of the last points Paul makes to the Galatians (and to us today) is a warning that those who try to show how “holy” they are by making us follow the “law” are doing it out of a desire to avoid actually surrendering to Christ. Paul tells us that those who boast about keeping the “law” are actually breaking it and do not have the freedom that comes through Christ. “For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God [which is not a reference to the Hebrew people, but rather on the entire family of believers (see Galatians 4)] (Galatians 6:15-16 (NASB))

To argue that Paul’s words only apply to the churches he addressed in a particular letter is like arguing that Christ’s words only applied to His disciples.

Hide.. As I said interpretation not the gospels. Christians have take Pauls letters that he wrote to individual Congregation on problems they were having with the Christian religion teaching circumcision and Laws of Moses. Read Galatians start with chapter one and read all chapters you will get a better understatement of what Paul was trying to teach. Them Christian today take a little Paul here a little Paul there and There it is. Saved by Grace? How would you receive unmerited favor? Do you get it by being disobedient . Paul said by grace are you saved THROUGH FAITH. If you don't mind answering. Doesn't Paul state that THROUGH FAITH we RECEIVE The Grace required to STAY SAVED???

Mikey, you wrote "TO Confuse people Acts of The Apostles. They are interpretations of The Good News and How the Jews started Christian religion.. You Christians still follow Moses laws when it suits you. You use Pauls letter to prove your point. INSTEAD of Going to Jesus. Yes you follow Mans Traditions Christian.. Satan created his religion in Antioch."

Hideously Terrible (view profile)

Posted 2:43 pm, 07/10/2019

What don’t I know Mikey? The blessing you got from helping the young lady? You are right, I don’t know.

My question is simply this (and correct me if I am wrong) but weren’t you the one who said that the Epistles were nothing special
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Hide... I said that the works of the Apostles are THEIR interpretation of The Good News. The Gospels of Jesus are 4 that's Four Books Matthew Mark Luke and John. You CAN'T be confused if you stay in the WORDS of Jesus. Let him teach not Satans Catholic Christian Religion.