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Hideously Terrible

Posted 12:49 am, 07/24/2019

Antithesis: while I enjoyed reading your post, I think you are relying on faulty information from the Intersex Society of North America. As you may know, that group disbanded over a decade ago. Using the National Institutes of Health estimate that the true prevalence of intersex births (those whose chromosomes do not match their visually identifiable sex or those who have no visually identifiable sex) is about 0.018% and NPR's report that there were 3,788,235 people born in the US last year we find that 683 people were born last year with either the "wrong" visible sex organs or with no visible sex organs. That would mean there are somewhere around 60,000 people living in the US right now who were born with that condition. The other categories that your source listed as "intersex" were people who have different conditions but have visually identifiable sex organs and are considered "Male" or "Female."


From the reading your post inspired I learned that most of the people born "Intersex" were subjected to various medical procedures (including surgery) that gave them an assigned sex. One such case study included the following conclusion: "Routine neonatal assignment of genetic males to female sex because of severe phallic inadequacy can result in unpredictable sexual identification. Clinical interventions in such children should be reexamined in light of these findings."


Anyway, I enjoyed reading your post.

(sources)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.go...d/12476264

https://www.npr.org/2019/05...cord-level

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.go...MC1421517/

antithesis

Posted 9:51 pm, 07/23/2019

That was very well thought out and informative anti.


Thanks, countrygal

shouldawouldacoulda

Posted 9:34 pm, 07/23/2019

jmt107101 (view profile)
Posted 8:55 pm, 07/22/2019
how does it make you feel knowing that we have a pedophile as president?

As I said last night...it's quite the downer.

countrygal88

Posted 9:30 pm, 07/23/2019

That was very well thought out and informative anti.

smalltownman

Posted 8:55 pm, 07/23/2019

Federal judge approves settlement expanding transgender bathroom rights in North Carolina



antithesis

Posted 7:59 pm, 07/23/2019

It doesn't matter if it's the law or even if it's YMCA policy. The expectation is if you go into a locker room that is clearly marked "Women" that you will be in a room with other women. That's a reasonable expectation. Why should Rosey change her gym just because a Trans feels like a woman and wants to use the women's locker room? That's taking away Rosey's rights in favor of another group of people.

You're confused... you keep talking about "rights" but we're talking about a private business's policy.

Let me see if I can explain using a different company. Chic-Fil-A openly donates to anti-gay organizations. I disagree with that policy, so I don't spend my money there. By your logic, they're denying me the right to eat their food, so they shouldn't be allowed to support those organizations.

If they have male parts they are male. If they have female parts they are female. That's a scientific fact too.

Except that it's not black and white like that. An estimated 1 in 1500 babies are born each year where the doctors can't determine their gender:


The percentage would be higher if you consider anomalies that only show up when the child gets older (like a male developing breasts at puberty).

1 in 1,666 births have neither XX nor XY chromosomes, and 1 in 1,000 have XXY chromosomes.

Late onset adrenal hyperplasia (like an apparent female producing male hormones at puberty, or vice versa) occurs in 1 in 66 children.

And 1 in 100 people have bodies that physically differ from male or female.

There are several other traits that contribute towards being intersex.

I never said anything changing or adding any laws. To me it's very simple if you have male parts you use the male lockers, if you have female parts you use the female locker room.

OK, so how do you define male or female "parts?"

How about a teenager with a penis and breasts? What if it's a very, very small penis?

Or a teenager with a v*gina, no breasts, but a hairy chest and beginning of a beard?

How about those 1 in 1500 babies that were born with no discerning genitalia, so the parents and doctors chose to do a surgery to make them more "normal?" With 70,000 people in Wilkes, this describes 46 people in our county.

Do you think the YMCA should inspect everyone's genitalia before allowing them to use the locker room?

How about a butchy lesbian with a short haircut and a wife-beater tank top that keeps licking her lips while openly watching Rosy change? Would you agree that anyone that appears to be gay or a pedophile should be forced to use a different locker room, too?

Personally, I'm uncomfortable with any stranger watching me change clothes. And if I had a kid with me, I would be extremely uncomfortable with a stranger watching them change clothes. This is why I go to Anytime Fitness... they have several unisex bathrooms, but only one person at a time. But most of the time I just show up in my gym clothes, work out, then go home and take a shower in the privacy of my own home.

Rosey has a right to use a locker room as it has been designated not as someone wants to feel it should be used. Unless you agree you are accommodating the Trans over Rosey and taking away her rights in favor of the Trans..

But that's just it... she doesn't have that "right" because there's no law on it. The only right she has is to choose whether or not to use the YMCA.

And if she did have that right (which, again, she does not), then the YMCA has chosen to designate the locker rooms as open to transgender, which means that both she and the transgender "have the right to use the locker room as it has been designated, not as someone (in this case, you and Rosy) wants to feel it should be used."

Personally, I tend to argue in favor of less government, and allowing businesses to set their own policies on most issues. If enough people agree with Rosy and stop using the Y because of this policy, maybe they'll make the investment to build private unisex locker rooms and restrooms.

smonk

Posted 6:21 pm, 07/23/2019

RALEIGH, N.C. - A federal judge has approved a legal settlement allowing transgender people to use restrooms matching their gender identity in many North Carolina public restrooms.

The consent decree approved Tuesday by a federal judge could end a protracted lawsuit by transgender people against North Carolina's so-called bathroom bill and the law that replaced it.

The agreement between the plaintiffs and North Carolina's Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper says that nothing in state law can be interpreted to "prevent transgender people from lawfully using public facilities in accordance with their gender identity" in buildings controlled by the state's executive branch.

In return, plaintiffs have agreed to drop pending legal action against the governor and other defendants.

North Carolina's Republican legislative leaders had opposed the agreement.

https://www.wxii12.com/arti...s/28481913

Hideously Terrible

Posted 5:05 pm, 07/23/2019

Perhaps, someday, we will realize that agreement was the foundation of a long standing friendship. Hey, stranger things have happened. The Missus thought that I was an arrogant redneck hick. She has since learned that I am not always arrogant.

shouldawouldacoulda

Posted 4:41 pm, 07/23/2019

That's something we can agree on.

Hideously Terrible

Posted 4:39 pm, 07/23/2019

:) I have been accused of worse.

shouldawouldacoulda

Posted 4:38 pm, 07/23/2019

That's a shame. You've clearly failed to show any hypocrisy on my part, and in fact have only provided quotes from me that literally make no mention of your initial conclusions. Poor form.

Hideously Terrible

Posted 4:31 pm, 07/23/2019

An apology for having an opinion based on the things you typed? Nope, that weren't an apology. As I have already demonstrated in this thread, when I make an apology I say so very clearly.

shouldawouldacoulda

Posted 4:29 pm, 07/23/2019

Is that an apology?

Hideously Terrible

Posted 4:27 pm, 07/23/2019

Okay, that was my opinion that you are hypocritical. You don't have to be. It is okay if you have another opinion.

shouldawouldacoulda

Posted 4:25 pm, 07/23/2019

None of that even remotely refers to any conclusion you've made. Not in the slightest. I didn't even reference anything you said in those quotes. Not even once.

You have to be joking.

Hideously Terrible

Posted 4:20 pm, 07/23/2019

The link Antithesis provided is from Washington State and may nor may not be the same as the policy of the YMCA of Northwest North Carolina which is the organization the local Y is a member. True, Rose was told that was the policy but she was also told the policy was because of the law and that was clearly incorrect.

Hideously Terrible

Posted 4:20 pm, 07/23/2019

shouldawouldacoulda (view profile)

Posted 2:40 pm, 07/23/2019

Okay. Where did I say "men are taking advantage of every opportunity (even family reunions and church services) to sexually assault women."

shouldawouldacoulda (view profile)

Posted 3:02 pm, 07/23/2019

I didn't think so. I'm usually more precise in my language than that, though I obviously slip from time to time.

shouldawouldacoulda (view profile)

Posted 3:05 pm, 07/23/2019

All I needed to know was "That wasn't a direct quote from you."

shouldawouldacoulda

Posted 4:15 pm, 07/23/2019

"Because you appeared to be trying to deny your words led to my logical conclusion."

Where? Be precise, and try and quote where I said that.

shouldawouldacoulda

Posted 4:13 pm, 07/23/2019

"That's taking away Rosey's rights in favor of another group of people."

She can still use the facility, right?

Hideously Terrible

Posted 4:11 pm, 07/23/2019

Because you appeared to be trying to deny your words led to my logical conclusion.

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