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antithesis

Posted 12:29 pm, 04/15/2019

MS, people would take you seriously if you would stop cherry picking what you want to show.

The US Code:


It specifically says that being an undocument immigrant has a fine of $50 to $250 for the first offense. That means it's a civil offense.

And if you read the second link that I gave:


You will see that it discusses the FAIR report and finds it to be "Mostly False," in part because it includes the cost of natural born citizens of immigrant parents.

But I still used their incredibly inflated numbers to show that, even by the extreme right-wing standards, illegal immigrants pay more than they cost.

Mad Scientist

Posted 12:20 pm, 04/15/2019

In 2017, the total cost of illegal immigration for the United States " at the federal, state, and local levels " was approximately $116 billion. This number was determined by subtracting the tax revenue paid by illegal aliens (about $19 billion) from the total economic impact of illegal migration, $134.9 billion.


Evidence shows that the tax payments made by illegal aliens fail to cover the costs of the many services they consume.

A large percentage of illegal aliens who work in the underground economy frequently avoid paying any income tax at all.

​​Many illegal aliens actually receive a net cash profit through refundable tax credit programs.

Mad Scientist

Posted 12:14 pm, 04/15/2019

8 U.S. Code § 1325. Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

antithesis

Posted 12:05 pm, 04/15/2019

Mikey, as I've already shown you several times, being an undocumented immigrant is a civil offense, not criminal.

Further, undocumented immigrants obviously contribute more than they cost. They pay sales tax, just like everyone else, and many have a fake SSN so that they can get a decent job. So they pay in income tax, but don't file a return for fear of being caught.

In reality, illegal immigrants pay somewhere between $90 and $140 billion in taxes:


But they don't get a refund or any government assistance, so almost all of that money is kept by the government. If they were all deported, the rest of us would have to pay more to take up the slack.

We currently have a surplus of about 7 million jobs in the US... jobs that no citizen wants. We also have an estimated 11 million illegal immigrants, taking other jobs that we don't want. So without them, we'll have a surplus of 18 million jobs. What do you think that would mean? Obviously, the farms and companies that rely on them would have no choice but to move to another country, so we lose that entire tax base, too.

A far-right study determined that the gross cost of illegal immigrants is $88 billion:


That study has been deemed as "False" because it includes the cost of ICE and the cost of their legal children, but still, let's just assume they're right.

$88 billion is still less than $90 billion, and far less than $140 billion that they pay in taxes.

Not to mention the economic impact of them helping to lower our surplus of jobs.

So Foxnose, it's not that "some on here think illegals give us more than they take from the system." It's a proven fact.

michaelhjsr

Posted 7:41 am, 04/15/2019

If any American is caught helping Illegals stay in America illegally they to should be Jailed and deported..

michaelhjsr

Posted 7:39 am, 04/15/2019

Illegals are criminals and should be deported. What part about illegal don't you understand. Americans have got nothing against legal immigrants. Its the ILLEGALS that are Criminals..

Wrestling grandpa1

Posted 7:28 am, 04/15/2019

I take two individuals to DSS every month to have their eligibility of benefits..they are not illegals..I know too many locals who received benefits who can perform jobs...but coos not to...I know too many who should receive assistance but because of the stigma of so called hand outs do not and are not able to do jobs that would worsen their condition..so for those who post certain people receive DSS need to provide undiluted proof..or shut up..

michaelhjsr

Posted 7:25 am, 04/15/2019

Democrats could care less for The American Citizens. They have become rich and powerful by Illegal means. Helping America People should be a priority those that come here Illegal are criminals. No if and or buts All should be deported.

Wrestling grandpa1

Posted 7:00 am, 04/15/2019

I take two individuals to DSS every month to have their eligibility of benefits..they are not illegals..I know too many locals who received benefits who can perform jobs...but coos not to...I know too many who should receive assistance but because of the stigma of so called hand outs do not and are not able to do jobs that would worsen their condition..so for those who post certain people receive DSS need to provide undiluted proof..or shut up..

Foxnose

Posted 6:34 am, 04/15/2019

I thought the leftist Democrats told us illegal immigrants contributed to our economy and did not receive government benefits. Even some on here think illegals give us more than they take from the system. Not so.



Even a high profile Democrat spokeswoman disagrees.

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