Do you love Jesus enough to keep his word?
surfer
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Posted 7:41 am, 09/20/2022
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Mhj, you've been taken to school just don't forget your lessons learned.
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mhj
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Posted 11:11 pm, 09/19/2022
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Bitter. What does Jesus say to receive ETERNAL Life. Do it.
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Bitter Old Man
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Posted 9:18 pm, 09/19/2022
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M, I can only imagine how tired you must be. Being wrong so much must be taxing on your spirit. I do not excuse the Old Testament, I have merely quoted it as it is written for you to read.
It is your continued show of non-understsnding of either the Bible or English (since that is the version of the Bible we are using) that leads to your weary.
It is important to realize that EphraMITE and EphrATHITE are two different words with two different meanings, no matter an Abstract of some random article you Googled says.
The "Truth" is that Jesus was a Jew. So says the Old Testament, so says the New Testament and so said Jesus Himself. For what it is worth, folks like yourself who struggle with simple concepts like Jesus never said "Keep the 'Ten Commandments' digging into Biblical Geneaology, family and place names seems quite a stretch. I know that you are the top student in your home Bible School but 1 Chrinicles, Ruth, Matthew and Luke all prove you wrong (again.)
You must be tired to quote Paul. Too bad the quotes don't address your misunderstanding.
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mhj
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Posted 5:13 pm, 09/19/2022
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Bitter I'm tired of you Christians dwelling on Jesus as being a Jew. What happened to the first house of Gods that was in Bethel?? you CAN'T excuse the Old Testament just to please yourself. . Was Boaz and Jesse Ephraimites,? Yes... That puts David as being from the tribe of Ephraim. Was Jesus a Ephraim Ephraimite or Judaian jew WHICH one is True. ..
No Other Doctrine 3As I urged you when I went into Macedonia�remain in Ephesus that you may [a]charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith. 5Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from [b]sincere faith, 6from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, 7desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.
8But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, 9knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is [c]contrary to sound doctrine, 11according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust
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Bitter Old Man
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Posted 3:22 pm, 09/19/2022
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M, reeking of desperation can't be pleasant for you.
It is sad that you so distrust the Bible that you have to ask "which" is correct, Matthew's Genealogy of Christ or Luke's Genealogy of Christ. The simple answer is both are correct. It is most commonly thought that Matthew provided Jesus's "legal" Genealogy that was important to His fellow Jews. It traces Jesus's legal heritage through Joseph, who we know, was Jesus's earthly father but not His "biological" father. It is also commonly believed that Luke provided Mary's genealogy that also goes back to King David and Judah. I suppose Luke included it just in case someone wanted to argue that Jesus wasn't a Jew.
It seems very odd to me that anyone would argue that the book of Ruth even hints that Boaz (King David's Great-Grandfather) had to be made an "honorary" descendent of Judah. Ruth, Chapter 4 gives a genealogical record for King David that goes back to "Perez" (verses 18-22.) 1 Chronicles 2:4 tells us that Perez was one of the twins born to Judah by his daughter-in-law Tamar. You can read that soap opera like story in Genesis 38 if you are interested. In any case, attempting to disprove anyone's "Jewishness" with Ruth (save that of Ruth herself) is futile.
A copy and paste of an Abstract of "The settlement of the Ephrathites in Bethlehem and the Location of Rachel's Tomb" (by Nadav Na'aman) does not count as quoting from the Bible. Anyone who has read two of your posts knows that the word "Posits" is not in your vocabulary. Since you only copied and pasted from the abstract I can only surmise that you did not read the article. I am not going to say I read it either, the Bible itself tells me all I need to know. Jesus was a Jew.
I do give you an "attaboy" for effort. Though, when arguing against the actual words of the Bible, an "attaboy" is a dubious honor, indeed.
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surfer
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Posted 10:48 am, 09/19/2022
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Was Jesus a Jew (Matthew 1:1-16)?
The word "Jew" is a shortened form of the old English word "Judean," referring to the descendants of the patriarch Judah, one of the twelve progenitors of the tribes of Israel. In the New Testament genealogies, both Jesus' mother Mary and His stepfather Joseph are listed as descendants of Judah, through the line of David (Matthew 1; Luke 3). Jesus was not only a descendant of Judah, a Jew, but He was also of the Davidic, kingly line of Judah. Several verses refer to Jesus as "Son of David" (e.g., Matthew 15:22; 21:9; Mark 10:47). God inspired the apostle Paul to write: "For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah" (Hebrews 7:14). In Revelation 5:5, one of the twenty-four elders calls Jesus "the Lion of the tribe of Judah." Long before His birth, it was prophesied that Shiloh�the Messiah, the Prince of Peace�would come from the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:10). In His conversation with the woman at the well, Jesus says, "You [Samaritans] worship what you do not know; we [Jews] know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews" (John 4:22). Jesus uses the pronoun "we," clearly including Himself among the Jews. The Jews, however, rejected Him, as John 1:11 says, "He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him." Paul speaks of God "sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh" (Romans 8:3). Christ took on the flesh and blood of His physical parent Mary (Hebrews 2:14). Jesus was born as a human being by a divine begettal into the nation, area, and family of Judah. Yes, Jesus certainly was a Jew!
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mhj
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Posted 8:49 am, 09/19/2022
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Bitter. Tell me WHICH one is truthful? Matthews or Luke? Isn't God the Father of Jesus? If you read Ruth you will discover that the judeans made honorary judeans of Ruth and Boaz.
It posits that Ephraimite. families migrated to north Judah, settled in the Bethlehem district and were called. "Ephrathites", after their place of origin. The new settlers identified the tomb of. their eponymous ancestress, Rachel, in a site near Bethlehem.
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hillbilly666
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Posted 10:32 pm, 09/18/2022
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Jesse was from the tribe of Judah
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Bitter Old Man
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Posted 10:32 pm, 09/18/2022
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M, you are exactly right. The Bible does say what it says. The trouble is YOU don't say what the Bible says at all.
Your copy and post from 2nd Samuel is Ephrathite <from the city of Bethlehem> and not Ephraimite <from the tribe of Ephram> They are two different words with two different meanings.
Wouldn't it just be easier to trust that the Bible is true?
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surfer
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Posted 10:31 pm, 09/18/2022
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What was written on the sign that was hung on the cross above the head of Jesus? How many languages was the inscription written in? Matthew 27:37; Mark 15:26; Luke 23:38; John 19:19
Matthew 27:37, "And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS."Mark 15:26, "And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS."Luke 23:38, "And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS."John 19:19-20, "And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS. 20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin."
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mhj
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Posted 10:23 pm, 09/18/2022
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Wasn't called Jew temple.
for this temple you are building, if you follow my decrees, carry out my regulations and keep all my commands and obey them, I will fulfill through you the promise I gave to David your father. 13 And I will live among the Israelites and will not abandon my people Israel." 14 So Solomon built the temple and completed it. 15
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mhj
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Posted 10:15 pm, 09/18/2022
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Bitter. It says what it says. If Jesse was a Ephraimite David would be from the tribe of Ephraim not Judah. .
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surfer
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Posted 10:02 pm, 09/18/2022
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First, the name "Jesus" has clear Hebrew origins. Jesus is a transliteration of the Hebrew word Joshua, which is why some refer to Him as "Yeshua." The name means "Yahweh is salvation."
Second, Jesus was born in Bethlehem, a town occupied by Jewish people. Bethlehem had long been a Jewish settlement known as the city of David.
Third, Jesus' earthly parents were from Nazareth, a city of Jewish people. It is undeniable that first-century Nazareth was a small Jewish town.
Fourth, Jesus was born at the time of a census that required Jews to return to the towns of their ancestry. Joseph would not have traveled with a pregnant wife to Bethlehem for the census unless he was Jewish. Mary the mother of Jesus also had a Jewish ancestry. Luke's genealogy of Jesus likely traces Mary's side of the family and shows a connection to David and the tribe of Judah. Jesus' aunt and uncle, Zechariah and Elizabeth, were also Torah-observant Jews (Luke 1:6). Zechariah was a priest. The whole family took their Jewish faith very seriously. Hebrews 7:14 states, "For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah."
Fifth, Jesus was taken to the temple as an infant according to the Jewish law of Moses (Luke 2:22).
Sixth, Jesus was at the Jewish temple as a child according to Jewish custom (Luke 2:41-52).
Seventh, Jesus observed Jewish customs as an adult. He attended the synagogue on the Sabbath, traveled to Jerusalem for Passover, and told those He healed of skin disease to present themselves to the priests as required by the Law of Moses. Everything in the Gospel accounts indicates that Jesus was a Torah-observant, Sabbath-abiding Jewish man.
Those who argue against the Jewish heritage of Jesus must provide alternative answers to these seven historical facts. The burden of proof lies on those who contradict the Bible's clear evidence in this matter.
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surfer
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Posted 9:53 pm, 09/18/2022
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Bitter Old Man
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Posted 9:11 pm, 09/18/2022
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First of all, on 9-9-2022 I told you that I believe all of the Bible to be written through inspiration of the Holy Spirit and therefore true. Unlike you, I do not cherry pick things I believe. I am also very clear on what is my opinion and what is written in the Bible.
I do worry that you suffer in great pain. I feel sure that displaying as much ignorance in public as you display has to hurt.
A simple reading of Matthew 1 or Luke 3 reveals Jesus's ancestral connection with King David. A little bit more reading in those same chapters shows David's ancestral connection to Judah the son of Israel/Jacob the son of Isaac the son of Abraham. Judah, by the way, is where the derivative "Jew" comes from. You can also find King David's ancestors in 1 Chronicles Chapter 2 where it also has a direct line to Judah.
Jesus was a Jew.
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mhj
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Posted 7:07 pm, 09/18/2022
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Bitter... you can call Jesus a citizen of Judah but not that he was blood with the Jews.
12Now David was the son of an Ephrathite named Jesse, who was from Bethlehem in Judah
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mhj
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Posted 5:54 pm, 09/18/2022
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Bitter being you not going to answer I'll tell you that no way was Jesus a Jew. He was from the tribe that David was.
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Bitter Old Man
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Posted 5:44 pm, 09/18/2022
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In a conversation concerning two groups of people (let's call them sinners and Christians) if I say "You sinners do one thing while 'we' do what "we" do" am I not identifying myself as a Christian? Jesus identified Himself as a Jew in the same way. Reading the English language shouldn't be that difficut. You assume that it was Jesus's clothing that identified Him as a Jew to the Samaritan woman at the well. The Bible does not tell us how she recognized Him, merely that she did recognize Him.
Matthew 1:1 states that Jesus is the Son of David. |
mhj
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Posted 5:43 pm, 09/18/2022
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666 no he didn't answer yes he posted Matthew said .
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