The Red State Murder Problem
168Amax
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Posted 1:00 am, 02/03/2023
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The fact that that many of those blue cities have allowed gangs to virtually control large parts of their cities, The problem is failure to enforce existing laws for fear of losing votes. And blaming the violence on every thing but the thugs who are turning the streets into war zones,
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antithesis
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Posted 12:48 am, 02/03/2023
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I have no clue what point you think you're making, Max. That Wilkesboro has a lower murder rate than Charlotte?
What in the world does that have to do with anything?
And why are you still insisting on pointing at cities, while ignoring my question of what city policies would be responsible for an increased homicide rate? Specifically, any policies that would explain the decreases and increases that just happen to coincide with when we had a GOP President? Or... is it that you're making post after post that has nothing to do with the topic, in an attempt to push the relevant discussion to the second page?
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168Amax
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Posted 12:33 am, 02/03/2023
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You are the expert on miss leading info . LMAO
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168Amax
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Posted 12:32 am, 02/03/2023
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Population: 3,575 MurderRape |
Report Total | 0 | 3 | Rate per 1,000 | 0.00 |
There were 3 rapes per 1000
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168Amax
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Posted 12:31 am, 02/03/2023
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Sorry my bad that was the murder rate per 1000 here in Republican gun owning red neck Wilkesboro last year. feel free to compare that to Charlotte or Durham per 1000
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168Amax
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Posted 12:28 am, 02/03/2023
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MurderRape |
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antithesis
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Posted 12:28 am, 02/03/2023
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Posting the same misleading information over and over doesn't change anything, Max. I've already debunked your argument... twice.
From the original article:
Even when large cities are removed from red states, murder rates are still higher.
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168Amax
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Posted 12:24 am, 02/03/2023
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One problem with that: In most of these red states, the high murder rates are driven by the lethal violence in their blue cities.
Take Missouri. Yes, it voted for Trump. But it is also home to two of the most dangerous U.S. cities � St. Louis and Kansas City � both of which are run by Democrats. Earlier this year, CBS News did an analysis of the "deadliest U.S. cities" using the latest FBI and other crime data. In 2019, it found, St. Louis had the highest murder rate in the nation, with 64.54 murders per 100,000 residents. Kansas City, meanwhile, had the eighth-highest murder rate, with 29.88 murders per 100,000. According to the FBI, the state had about 520 murders in major metropolitan areas that year, 20 in cities outside metropolitan areas, and 28 in nonmetropolitan counties. So, the vast majority of Missouri's homicides took place in its Democrat-run cities.
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168Amax
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Posted 12:21 am, 02/03/2023
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To argue, as Third Way does, that "murder rates are actually higher in Republican, Trump-voting states" � without pointing out that those rates are driven by the slaughter taking place in Democratic-voting blue cities � is intentionally misleading.
The fact is, the red state murder problem is really a red state murder myth.
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antithesis
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Posted 12:14 am, 02/03/2023
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There's a problem with your logic, though, Max. You're trying to use failed economic policies created by Republican governments as some sort of proof against Democratic policies.
I've already shown that, historically, when we have Republican representatives then we have economic recessions and an increased homicide rate. These are proven and indisputable facts. And when people suffer financially, the crime rate increases... this is also an indisputable fact.
Can you cite any city policy that would be responsible for an increased homicide rate? Specifically, any policies that would explain the decreases and increases that just happen to coincide with when we had a GOP President?
How many of the 25 largest Democrat-run cities made the list of top 20 murder cities?
I've already responded to this one, Albert. From the original article...
Even when large cities are removed from red states, murder rates are still higher.Some on the right argue that murder rates in red states are higher because of the blue cities in those red states. Of course, blue states have more blue urban areas than red states. That is what makes most states blue. The fact is that murder rates have increased in urban, suburban, and rural areas. But to answer these critics, we performed an exercise to give red states a special boost. For this exercise, we removed all of the murders in the county with the largest city for 19 of 25 red states. In six rural red states home to no cities with large numbers of murders, this calculation was not possible based on available CDC data.2 Blue states would get no such advantage. But even with the largest city removed from red states, the Red State murder gap persisted. Over the course of the full 21 years between 2000 and 2020, the Red State murder rate was still 12% higher than the Blue State murder rate, even when murders in the largest cities in those red states were removed. And the murder rate was still higher in 18 of 21 years. Between 2010 and 2020, even after removing New Orleans and Jackson, Louisiana and Mississippi continued to hold the number one and two spots for highest murder rates. Alabama, Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina, and Tennessee were still consistently in the top 10 after removing their largest city. In 2020, the states with the highest murder rates stayed roughly the same after making this change: Mississippi in first, then Louisiana, Alabama, South Carolina, Missouri, Illinois, Maryland, Arkansas, Tennessee, and Georgia. https://www.thirdway.org/re...er-problem
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168Amax
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Posted 10:35 pm, 02/02/2023
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Third Way does not provide city-by-city data for 2020 in its report, perhaps because this would undermine its red state murder narrative. But the Manhattan Institute's Rafael Mangual gathered data on the 2020 murder rates in the 50 largest U.S. cities � 34 of which had Democratic mayors, while 14 were led by Republicans (two were led by independents). "The homicide rate in the blue cities was 15.8 per 100,000, compared to 9.4 per 100,000 in the red cities," he found.
And in a May report, his Manhattan Institute colleagues Robert VerBruggen and Christos Makridis examined the growth in the homicide rate per capita in the largest U.S. counties between 2019 and 2020 � and then compared the rates in GOP-leaning and Democratic-leaning counties. They found that "counties with higher shares of GOP voters have a much lower homicide death rate and a lower number of deaths in 2020" and "also a lower growth in homicide rates."
To argue, as Third Way does, that "murder rates are actually higher in Republican, Trump-voting states" � without pointing out that those rates are driven by the slaughter taking place in Democratic-voting blue cities � is intentionally misleading.
The fact is, the red state murder problem is really a red state murder myth.
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168Amax
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Posted 10:34 pm, 02/02/2023
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Take Missouri. Yes, it voted for Trump. But it is also home to two of the most dangerous U.S. cities � St. Louis and Kansas City � both of which are run by Democrats. Earlier this year, CBS News did an analysis of the "deadliest U.S. cities" using the latest FBI and other crime data. In 2019, it found, St. Louis had the highest murder rate in the nation, with 64.54 murders per 100,000 residents. Kansas City, meanwhile, had the eighth-highest murder rate, with 29.88 murders per 100,000. According to the FBI, the state had about 520 murders in major metropolitan areas that year, 20 in cities outside metropolitan areas, and 28 in nonmetropolitan counties. So, the vast majority of Missouri's homicides took place in its Democrat-run cities.
The same is true for Louisiana, which has two of the most lethal Democratic-run cities in the country: Baton Rouge, which in 2019 had the sixth-highest murder rate in the nation with 31.72 murders per 100,000 residents, and New Orleans, which had the seventh-highest rate with 30.67 murders per 100,000. Without those cities, the state's murder rate would significantly drop.
That's not all. Tennessee's homicide rate was driven up by Democratic-run Memphis, which ranked ninth in the country with 29.21 homicides per 100,000 residents. Also powering the state's murder rate: then-Democratic-led Chattanooga (No. 29) with 18.15 murders per 100,000 in 2019 (note: the city elected an independent in 2021); Democratic-run Nashville (No. 59) with 12.08 per 100,000; and Democratic-run Knoxville (No. 62) with 11.66 per 100,000.
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168Amax
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Posted 10:33 pm, 02/02/2023
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168Amax
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Posted 10:11 pm, 02/02/2023
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How many of the 25 largest Democrat-run cities Talking about Cities not states ole man try to keep up!
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Albert Pike
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Posted 10:11 pm, 02/02/2023
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She said this to�well she copied and pasted it,
"In 2020, the 25 largest Democrat-run cities spent 38% more on policing per capita than the 25 largest Republican-run cities."
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Acumen
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Posted 10:08 pm, 02/02/2023
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Albert Pike (view profile) | Posted 10:05 pm, 02/02/2023 | Antithesis, How many of the 25 largest Democrat-run cities made the list of top 20 murder cities?
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I can actually read, and I am pretty sure she said that the 25 red states had the highest murder rate.
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Albert Pike
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Posted 10:05 pm, 02/02/2023
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Antithesis, How many of the 25 largest Democrat-run cities made the list of top 20 murder cities?
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168Amax
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Posted 9:48 pm, 02/02/2023
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In 2020, the 25 largest Democrat-run cities spent 38% more on policing per capita than the 25 largest Republican-run cities.
Could be they are spending more because of the gangs and drugs which dominate inner city neighborhoods,
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Foxnose
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Posted 9:39 pm, 02/02/2023
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Please Anti, stay with your stuff, eventually Rosetok will agree with you
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Acumen
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Posted 9:20 pm, 02/02/2023
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What does red states really have to offer? Highest murder rate, highest poverty rates, most corrupt governments and lowest pay rates. Sure, sounds like a great place to live.
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