The Red State Murder Problem
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antithesis
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Posted 12:55 am, 02/05/2023
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Max, can you show whether the increase in black homicide was or was not primarily in Republican states? That's what we're talking about here.
As I've already shown, though, when Republicans are in charge we see an increased division between the rich and the poor... essentially a weakening of the middle class. Since black people are traditionally poorer (due mostly to a long history of segregation that's too much to discuss here), it makes sense that they would be disproportionately affected by those failed economic policies.
Speaking of which... this study found that homicide increases the most when you have that clear division between the rich and poor with a smaller middle class:
You were talking about the low homicide rate in Wilkes earlier. This study proves that the reason has little to do with race, but more to do with the fact that everybody in Wilkes is poor! LOL We don't see that inequality like you see in cities.
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168Amax
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Posted 12:55 am, 02/05/2023
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168Amax
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Posted 12:48 am, 02/05/2023
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Meantime, the sociological contours of the problem have changed little. Makridis and I noted in our brief that the spike worsened existing disparities.
To take one of the more dramatic examples, between the 2018�2019 and 2020�2021 periods, the black homicide rate went up by about 40 percent and the white one by 15 percent�already a glaring disparity. But since the black homicide rate started out so much higher than the white one, this translated to an increase of just 0.4 per 100,000 for whites and 9.7 per 100,000 for blacks�nearly 25 times as large. The increase in the black homicide rate was greater than the total homicide rate for the nation as a whole
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Acumen
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Posted 12:45 am, 02/05/2023
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Our racist fascists just want to push the idea that it is blacks committing murders. Every idea they push are trying to say that blacks are more violent and less human than they are.
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antithesis
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Posted 12:36 am, 02/05/2023
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Statistically, it's probably the other way around. The majority of murders occur in rural Republican states, which means it's mostly likely to be Republicans killing Republicans.
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unfried
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Posted 12:09 am, 02/05/2023
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Democratics just won't stop shooting democrats
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antithesis
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Posted 12:04 am, 02/05/2023
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Hey Abe, I know your ilk mostly get their news from memes, but...
Is the United States third in murders and are outlier cities to blame?
By no measure is the United States third in total homicides or homicide rates. Excluding the named cities from the count had little to no impact on the United States' international standing.
https://www.politifact.com/...er-cities/
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antithesis
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Posted 12:03 am, 02/05/2023
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Max, your article wasn't from the CDC, it was from an "extremely conservative, corporate funded, New York-based policy group."
But here's a quote from the article:
The good news is that, after spiking in 2020 and rising a little further in 2021, homicides seem to be falling again. The bad news is that this has been an extremely slow process, with recent numbers still well above pre-2020 levels, even if violence remains far from the sky-high levels of the early 1990s.
The CDC puts the national homicide rate at 7.8 per 100,000 for 2021, versus 7.5 for 2020 and 5.8 for 2019. Here are the month-by-month totals since 2018, including provisional data for the first half of 2022:
In late 2021, the totals started coming in lower than those from the previous year. Data from Jeff Asher, who compiles more up-to-date murder numbers from big-city police departments, suggest that 2022 saw about 5 percent fewer murders in those cities than 2021. The op-ed was written on January 25, 2023, but it confirms that homicide rates increased during the Trump administration, and then decreased when Biden took office.
What are you suggesting that it says that proves the centrist study to be wrong? It reads to me like a desperate attempt to skew numbers to justify their own beliefs.
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Fakey
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Posted 10:49 pm, 02/04/2023
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All 5 on Abe's list are run by demonRatZ, some for decades, AND all but Detroit are currently women of color.
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168Amax
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Posted 9:13 pm, 02/04/2023
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There should be a study on just how many are gang and drug related;
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tribune
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Posted 9:05 pm, 02/04/2023
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Just take the total populations then do some simple division and you'll come up with the proportionate figure. Not something the repub's and gun nuts want to see..
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Jimbojolly
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Posted 8:07 pm, 02/04/2023
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I believe that it's now critical to break down the red states blue cities, by street, and then compile a database of murder rate by political affiliation. Then we can argue about details like eye color, gender, and genetic makeup.
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168Amax
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Posted 4:49 pm, 02/04/2023
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Some have tried to push the narrative of a "red-state" murder wave, noting that many of the highest state-level murder rates are found in the GOP South. But as my colleague Rafael Mangual recently explained, states are a poor focus for this kind of analysis. Policing and prosecution mostly occur at the local level, and crime problems in red states are often concentrated in their blue cities.
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antithesis
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Posted 4:10 pm, 02/04/2023
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Totally irrelevant, Max. The study shows that the numbers come from the Depts of Justice or Public Safety from each state... all they did was compile and compare them.
Unless you're going to argue that Republican states are falsifying their information?
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unfried
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Posted 3:19 pm, 02/04/2023
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Debunk who's doing the killing
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168Amax
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Posted 3:15 pm, 02/04/2023
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The Sources of most of third ways funding is unknown but this article shows a few donors, Like Big Pharma and Reynolds tobacco. There appear to be a lack of transparency for some reason about funds
Centrist Third Way, Funded by Corporate Interests, Attacks ...Jan 31, 2020 � Iowa will be the first state to vote in the 2020 primaries and holds its caucuses on Monday. Third Way, a centrist think tank funded by ...
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antithesis
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Posted 2:05 pm, 02/04/2023
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Repeating the same false argument doesn't change anything, Max. I've already debunked it several times.
The fact that a Fox News contributor wrote an op-ed saying that he didn't like the facts doesn't change anything. He gave no facts of his own, just argued that he didn't like it so it must be wrong 
The study removed the large cities from the red states stats, and their murder rates were still higher. The study literally stacked the deck to help them, and they still lost.
You can keep yelling about Democratic cities all day, but even when the Democratic cities that are exclusively in Republican states are removed from the stats, the murder rate is still higher in those Republican states.
It's not a myth, it's a quantified and proven fact.
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unfried
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Posted 7:04 am, 02/04/2023
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Leftist democrats don't say who's doing the murders. It's democrats doing the killing.
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