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Why did Jesus come to the Jews FIRST?

mhj

Posted 6:09 pm, 09/27/2022

Bitter .. Faith and obedience you can't just excuse the Commandments.

The fulfillment was JESUS bringing the knowledge of God to the world and what he is here to offer. Eternal Life .

And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak

And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail

It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

God said: IF YOU WILL OBEY MY VOICE I WILL BE YOUR GOD AND YOU WILL BE MY PEOPLE.

WILL YOU BECOME A CHILD OF GOD

Bitter Old Man

Posted 5:44 pm, 09/27/2022

I have never said that Jesus took away the commandment(s) of God. Jesus said that He did not abolish (destroy) the law or prophecy but that His purpose was to "fulfill" the law and prophecy (Matthew 5:17).

Once a covenant (contract, if you will) is fulfilled it is no longer binding. Even in the human world, once a contract is made and finished it is impossible to add to it or take away from it. Certainly, God is more exacting with his contracts than us mere mortals. Jesus came to complete the old covenant made with the Israelites and established a new one (Luke 22:20) made with both Israelites and Gentiles.

As we discussed yesterday, Jesus taught us not to mix new and old together (Matthew 9; Mark 2; Luke 5). In the examples He gave, the results of such a union are disastrous.

Paul (who you have quoted several times in this thread,) under divine inspiration of the Holy Spirit, asked the Galatians; "So, then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?" (Galatians 3:5 NASB) His answer to the rhetorical question was, in part, a quote from Habakkuk ""The righteous will live by faith." (Galatians 3:11 & Habakkuk 2:4)

If keeping the commandments was how a person received eternal life the lesson taught in Matthew 19: 16-22; Mark 10: 17-22; and Luke 18: 18-23 would have ended much differently. In each of those the man had kept the commandments all his life, but in each of the Gospel recordings we read that Jesus said that more was required. In the end, the man went away sad and without the promise of eternal life because he didn't follow Christ's teaching.

mhj

Posted 12:28 pm, 09/27/2022

Bitter there is a difference between what God said to the people and what Moses said to the people.

Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: b"Add your burnt offerings to your sacrifices and eat meat. 22 cFor I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices. 23 But this is what I commanded them, saying, d�Obey My voice, and eI will be your God, and you shall be My people. And walk in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well with you.' 24 fYet they did not obey or incline their ear, but gfollowed 2the counsels and the 3dictates of their evil hearts, and hwent 4backward and not forward. 25 Since the day that your fathers came out of the land of Egypt until this day, I have even isent to you all My servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them. 26 jYet they did not obey Me or incline their ear, but kstiffened their neck. lThey did worse than their fathers.

27 "Therefore myou shall speak all these words to them, but they will not obey you. You shall also call to them, but they will not answer you

mhj

Posted 12:20 pm, 09/27/2022

Bitter wow. Gods Covenant was if you will OBEY my Voice I will be your God and you will be my people. That is Gods Covenant to the Israelites. Nothing more. Same holds true today. The laws of Moses was until a spoke man from God is Born. All that Moses spoke to the Israelites Jesus took upon himself but he couldn't take away the COMMANDMENT of God.

Bitter Old Man

Posted 11:20 am, 09/27/2022

I accept that Deuteronomy 6 contains what Jesus said is the greatest commandment. I also accept that what Jesus said is the second greatest commandment is found in Leviticus 19.


I also accept that both Deuteronomy and Leviticus contain laws that were part of God's covenant with the Israelites. That covenant does not include me. I am not an Israelite.

In your copy and paste of Deuteronomy 8:3 you will find the word "thee" several times. The word "thee" can be replaced by "Israelites" in your example, and the meaning of the passage does not change. In fact, if one reads Deuteronomy 8 from the first verse the writer makes it very clear that the passage is directed at the Israelites. The writer makes reference to the covenant that the "Lord sware unto your fathers" (Deut. 8:1 KJV) , and the "the Lord thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness" (Deut 8:2 KJV) You can not replace the word "thee" with "Gentiles" nor with "Christians" and the passage continue to be true.

Far from picking and choosing what I believe, I believe what is written in the Bible. I believe what Jesus said. I don't believe in your interpretations of what Jesus meant, nor do I believe that the covenant between God and the Israelites applies to Christians. Quoting Scripture that only applies to the Israelites does nothing to convince me otherwise.

mhj

Posted 9:32 am, 09/27/2022

Bitter Deuteronomy 6 teaches to keep the Commandments. You accept DEUTERONOMY and Leviticus 19 but you don't accept
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And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live.
Deuteronomy 8:3

You can't pick and choose what you want.

Foxnose

Posted 6:57 am, 09/27/2022

If you are expecting to receive his body, his soul and divinity by kneeling and for the Eucharist, you might as well sit in a lawn chair, eat vanilla wafers and drink Kool-Aid Ain't gonna happen,

Wilkesconvert

Posted 6:09 am, 09/27/2022

When Jesus began to minister in the world, his only intended audience was God's people, the Jews. It is recorded in Matthew 15: 24 "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." Remember, God chose the Israelite's as his own and He was their God. If you were drawn to God, you didn't remain a Gentile and worship God, you were circumcised as a male and became Jewish. Then you followed the Jewish customs, laws and worshiped God.

With His teachings being rejected by the Jewish priests, he turned his preaching to the masses and was amazed to find that the faith of so many non-Jewish believers was immense. They accepted him and his teachings whole heartedly. One such example is documented in Matthew 15: 21-28 a Canaanite woman begs for Jesus to save her daughter who is possessed by a demon and suffering. The woman knelt before him and said, "Lord, help me!" Jesus replied that it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to the dogs. The woman engages Jesus further by stating, "Yes it is, Lord," "Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master's table. Jesus declared that her faith was great and the daughter was healed. Metaphorically, the woman kneels before Jesus, as we do when receiving his Body, Soul and Divinity through the Eucharist. She asks for Jesus to come to her and heal her daughter and Jesus replies that the bread of life that is intended for God's children should not be wasted on the dogs of society. She calls upon his compassion to point out that the God feeds even the dogs crumbs from the table to prevent them from starving.

Bitter Old Man

Posted 9:28 pm, 09/26/2022

See, there is something else we agree on. The "Greatest Commandment" is from Deuteronomy chapter 6. It isn't from the "Ten Commandments". Those are found in Exodus 20 and a different version of them is found in Deuteronomy 5. I am so happy that you have finally acknowledged that. Gosh, you have made a lot of progress today.


That is three things that you have finally came to realize. Frist, that Jesus didn't tell us to Keep the "Ten Commandments" (9:48am); second that the commandments of the old covenant were only given to the Israelites (11:19am) and third, that the Greatest Two Commandments are not part of the "Ten Commandments."

Here is what Jesus said: "If you keep My commandments, you will remain in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and remain in His love. These things I have spoken to you so that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be made full. This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you." (John 15:10-12 NASB)

Jesus makes a promise at the end of John 12:26 "If anyone serves Me he will follow Me, and where I am My servant will be also; If anyone serves Me, the Father will honor him." (NASB)

mhj

Posted 7:47 pm, 09/26/2022

Bitter. What's the first Commandment. JESUS WAS TEACHING FROM DEUTERONOMY 6.. Jesus made it simple for you because he took upon himself what was told to Moses.

HEAR, O ISRAEL: THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD:

((( DO YOU HAVE EARS TO HEAR)))

5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

The second Commandment is from Leviticus 19.

18: Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF: I AM THE LORD.

Want you accept Jesus?

mhj

Posted 6:53 pm, 09/26/2022

Bitter you do as Christ says..lol. Jesus said we are to keep he word of God. The offer is extended to the gentiles not just the tribes of Israel. Do you want To be a child of God. Obey his Voice.

Bitter Old Man

Posted 6:36 pm, 09/26/2022

Thank you for pointing out (again) that Jesus did not refer to the 'Ten Commandments' when asked what thr most important commandment happened to be. Just for good measure Jesus threw in the second most important commandment as well. Again it was not one of the "Ten."

As you acknowledged earlier today (at 9:48am) Jesus never told us to keep the 'Ten Commandments' and as you correctly pointed out today at 11:19am those Commandments were never given to us Gentiles.

Given that you agree with those statements, whose words is your religion based on? Mine is based on what Christ said.

mhj

Posted 5:30 pm, 09/26/2022

Read Mark 12 to start with then ask yourself are you follow Jesus or are you following lies half-truths fables traditions and false interpretation.

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, HEAR, O ISRAEL; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD:

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

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WILL YOU SIT DOWN AT HIS TABLE???

Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:

17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.

18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.

19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.

20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.

21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.

22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room.

23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.

25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,

26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple

mhj

Posted 5:02 pm, 09/26/2022

Bitter, why do you hang onto the FALSE INTERPRETATION that your Catholic CHRISTIAN RELIGION teaches. You need to read the Bible What does Isaiah 5 KJV say, You can't be saved by Jesus until you REPENT for your sinning and accept the fact that you must be grafted into the true Vine. one thing more the Commandment of God is Life. Jesus is the true Vine.

Bitter Old Man

Posted 2:10 pm, 09/26/2022

M, we agree that The Commandments were only given to the tribes of Israel. See, when you get something right, I am more than happy to agree with you. If only you'd stopped there. . .

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Instead of stopping with the truth you had to add: "In order for you or I to receive God we must be grafted into the tribe." That isn't what Jesus said. Shucks, that's not even what "GotQuestions.org" said in the article you copied and pasted.


I am happy that you have decided to start reading what Paul wrote and are accepting it as Divinely Inspired Scripture. That shows a lot of growth in you. As you so correctly posted at 9:42pm on 9/24/2022 Paul did not write that we had to keep the "Ten Commandments." (See, how agreeable I am when you post the truth?)


God did say that if the Israelites obeyed His voice that He would be their God and that they would be His people. (See, we are agreeing again.) However, I am not an Israelite. I am a Christian who follows the words of Christ. You can be an Israelite if you want (I guess, I don't really know how that works) but neither Jesus or Paul in Romans 11 says that I have to become one in order to gain Eternal Life.


Here's an interesting fact�Paul does not write the word "Commandment" in all of Chapter 11 of Romans. Paul does use the word "Covenant" in verse 27 when he is referencing Isaiah 59:20-21 but that is a reference to God's covenant with the Israelites. Paul certainly does not imply that Gentiles are a part of that covenant.

mhj

Posted 11:19 am, 09/26/2022

Bitter. The Commandments we only given to the tribes of Israel. In order for you or I to receive God we must be grafted into the tribe. THEREFORE the Commandment that the Lord God spoke is necessary to accept Jesus. To love the Lord God with your heart.. obedience is a act of love. God said. If you obey my Voice I will be your God and you will be my people.

In Romans 11:11�24 Paul compares Israel to the natural branches of a cultivated olive tree and the Gentile believers to the branches of a wild olive tree. The natural branches (Israel) were broken off, and the wild branches (Gentiles) were grafted in (verse 17). The Gentiles, then, have been made partakers of the promises and inherit the blessings of God's salvation.

It is important to understand how God called Israel to be His people and how they failed to fulfill that calling. As the seed of Abraham, the children of Israel were chosen by God to be a separate people, holy to the Lord. God's design was for them to be a light to the Gentiles so that they, too, might know God (Genesis 18:17�19; Isaiah 42, 49). Instead, the Israelites chased foreign gods and betrayed their calling (Ezekiel 23; Hosea 11). But God, who knew they would do this, had already promised to restore His kingdom to Israel after they rebelled and then eventually repented (Deuteronomy 30:1�10). So God sent His Son, preceded by a forerunner, to invite Israel to "repent, for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Matthew 3:2; 4:17).

However, when Jesus revealed Himself as the promised Davidic King who would restore Israel (Matthew 11�12; Acts 3:19�22), He was rejected by the Jews, exactly as Isaiah had prophesied (Isaiah 52�53). Jesus therefore called His disciples to fulfill Abraham's commission to bless the nations (Genesis 12:2�3) by preaching the gospel of the Kingdom to all nations until the end of this age (Matthew 28:18�20).

Bitter Old Man

Posted 11:02 am, 09/26/2022

M, at 9:48 this morning you posted "If you keep the commandments that Jesus quotes. You would keep the other four." So, even you admit that Jesus did not tell anyone to "Keep the �Ten Commandments." Since Jesus said what God told Him to say and Jesus only listed six of the "Ten Commandments" is it not logical that God only told Him NOT to say the other four?


"So Jesus took away the law of circumcision the Laws of Moses and the ceremony laws. The Covenant that God made with the Israelites is still in effect today and opened to the world." These beliefs of yours are not to be found in any of the words of Jesus. Repeat them all you want, but one who believes them is not following what Jesus taught.


"You need to prepare the wine bottles before you put new wine in them. That is why repentance is necessary.. read very slowly." Okay, I read that slowly. It didn't help. It also isn't what Jesus said. Maybe that's my problem: I have no faith in the False Prophet M and total faith in Christ. The False Prophet M lies and slanders others and tells them things that Jesus said things that He never said.


Was it cowardice or willful deceit that possessed you when you only copied and pasted a truncated Mark 10:19 at 9:09am this morning: "19 Thou knowest the commandments." ?


Sounds like you have given yourself some real good advice: "if you loved Jesus you would keep his words and not put into them what you reason about them are." (The False Prophet M 9:09am 9/26/2022)

surfer

Posted 10:45 am, 09/26/2022

Jesus was a Jew as the Bible teaches us. Why do you cherry-pick and believe only parts of the Bible? Why do you believe Jesus died a senseless death on the cross mhj michaeljsr?

mhj

Posted 10:30 am, 09/26/2022

You are to be grafted into Israel..

mhj

Posted 10:24 am, 09/26/2022

Surfer. I've done told you

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Posted 5:32 pm, 09/24/2022

The Jews rejected Jesus. So Jesus took away the law of circumcision the Laws of Moses and the ceremony laws. The Covenant that God made with the Israelites is still in effect today and opened to the world.

God said: IF YOU WILL OBEY MY VOICE I WILL BE YOUR GOD AND YOU WILL BE MY PEOPLE.

WILL YOU BECOME A CHILD OF GOD

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