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At some point we must consider that SCIENCE has no clue.

Jimbojolly

Posted 9:35 pm, 09/18/2021

gascon (view profile)

Posted 10:52 pm, 09/17/2021

The breakthrough cases[33%] are the mutatations. The vaccinated are making this virus more deadly. The vaccine protects you from covid but in some it breaks the barrier and mutates. The unvaccinated only gets the mutated [ delta] variant from the vaccinated. Population control is right on schedule.

tmann, you should present this concept on SNL.

hillbilly1971

Posted 8:06 pm, 09/18/2021

antithesis (view profile)

Posted 12:36 am, 09/14/2021

Carman, you POS how about this I shove the vax up you arse and then we talk about its effecttivness


Tmann, you need to have some compassion. Carman has lost friends and is obviously emotional... you're an adult and pretend to be a Christian, so the only thing you should ever say to him/her is that you're sorry for their loss.

You can disagree without trying to hurt people.

I don't understand why they're forcing the vaccine so hard without antibody testing.

From the FDA:

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is reminding the public and health care providers that results from currently authorized SARS-CoV-2 antibody tests should not be used to evaluate a person's level of immunity or protection from COVID-19 at any time, and especially after the person received a COVID-19 vaccination.

While a positive antibody test result can be used to help identify people who may have had a prior SARS-CoV-2 infection, more research is needed in people who have received a COVID-19 vaccination. Currently authorized SARS-CoV-2 antibody tests have not been evaluated to assess the level of protection provided by an immune response to COVID-19 vaccination. If antibody test results are interpreted incorrectly, there is a potential risk that people may take fewer precautions against SARS-CoV-2 exposure. Taking fewer steps to protect against SARS-CoV-2 can increase their risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection and may result in the increased spread of SARS-CoV-2.

https://www.fda.gov/medical...fda-safety

So the short answer is that they simply don't know whether the presence of antibodies is enough, so they can't rely on it.

PEOPLE DO NOT TRUST THE ONES PUSHING IT.

Others have already said this, but Trump is the one that took credit for it and even got booed at his own rally for telling people that they should get vaccinated. So I'm not sure why people think that it's political.

These same people completely and blindly trust the USDA and FDA when it comes to their food and other medication. They're really just bucking at this because they think it's political, when it's not.

It's more likely that they buck at it because a meme told them that it's political.

Personally, I couldn't care less if they get vaccinated, as long as they wear a mask in public settings. The people that refuse to take any precautions at all are the ones that have kept the pandemic going for over a year, and they are the ones responsible for 662,000 American deaths.
Not only did you imply that the unvaccinated is the only one that needs to wear a mask but you also implied that they were responsible for all the deaths since the beginning of the whole deal.. Even long before there was a to be had.

Also if you have antibodies that is a pretty good sign that you have had the covid and therefore- would not be a real reason for you to have the vaccine since you already have the antibodies to fight said virus. Or is this science no good any more?

antithesis

Posted 12:47 am, 09/18/2021

Maybe you have pointed that out not sure but I am pretty sure that I have seen several times you say that you don't care who gets vaccinated as long if you are not vaccinated that you are wearing a mask properly. So with that you are implying that if I am vaccinated I do not need the mask to keep me from spreading the virus

That was never my implication.

To the best of my knowledge, being vaccinated will help prevent you from contracting COVID (about a 0.2% chance), and those that do get it are much less likely to have severe symptoms (about a 0.04% chance).


Because of that 0.2% chance, you should still wear a mask to prevent an asymptomatic spread.

If you are not vaccinated, however, then you are 5 times more likely to get COVID, and 29 times more likely to be hospitalized:


So the vaccine is more about protecting yourself than others.

This differs from wearing a mask, which has always been about preventing the spread and protecting others.

and wearing one doesn't do me any good from contracting the virus anyway.

It does to a much lesser degree, but you are correct that the whole point of wearing a mask is to prevent you from spreading COVID to others. You can be infected and contagious for up to 2 weeks without showing symptoms, which is why it keeps spreading! People refuse to wear a mask, so they keep on spreading it to others.

gascon

Posted 10:52 pm, 09/17/2021

The breakthrough cases[33%] are the mutatations. The vaccinated are making this virus more deadly. The vaccine protects you from covid but in some it breaks the barrier and mutates. The unvaccinated only gets the mutated [ delta] variant from the vaccinated. Population control is right on schedule.

hillbilly1971

Posted 7:42 pm, 09/17/2021

Maybe you have pointed that out not sure but I am pretty sure that I have seen several times you say that you don't care who gets vaccinated as long if you are not vaccinated that you are wearing a mask properly. So with that you are implying that if I am vaccinated I do not need the mask to keep me from spreading the virus and wearing one doesn't do me any good from contracting the virus anyway.

surfer

Posted 7:38 pm, 09/17/2021

The vaccines are to prevent serious illnesses and death. The percentage of effectiveness will vary based on the variant type. The vast majority in ICU's around the US and other parts of the world are unvaccinated.

Also note there's 3 manufacturers in the process of developing a pill to take when you get Covid as a cure. One manufacturer is Pfizer which is stage 3 trials.

antithesis

Posted 7:36 pm, 09/17/2021

Anti you claim that every time you say that the unvaccinated should wear a mask but never say anything about the vaccinated wearing one!!!!!!


Actually, I think I've pointed out all along that even vaccinated people can be asymptomatic carriers. I don't know how to track it down to show you exactly where I've said that, but I'm quite certain that I've been saying it for awhile now...

antithesis

Posted 7:34 pm, 09/17/2021

Yet, one of the most vaccinated countries in the world has one of the highest infection rates in the world.


Israel is 61.5% fully vaccinated. In the last 7 days, they had an average of 9,494 new cases and 22 deaths.

According to this, only 7 of the 658 patients that are in serious condition had been fully vaccinated and gotten a booster shot:


So the facts reflect exactly what you've been told all along. You just have to read facts instead of memes and tabloids...

hillbilly1971

Posted 7:31 pm, 09/17/2021

Anti you claim that every time you say that the unvaccinated should wear a mask but never say anything about the vaccinated wearing one!!!!!!

antithesis

Posted 7:22 pm, 09/17/2021

Well now, the science said if folks got the vaccine, they wouldn't get sick. (I know you will deny this now.)


Source? I don't remember anyone ever claiming that any vaccine was 100% effective.

Acumen

Posted 7:19 pm, 09/17/2021

It is clear, you don't understand science/

sparkling water

Posted 7:12 pm, 09/17/2021

Well now, the science said if folks got the vaccine, they wouldn't get sick. (I know you will deny this now.)
Yet, one of the most vaccinated countries in the world has one of the highest infection rates in the world.
The science we all trusted was simply wrong.
And you fools complain about ivermectin.

Beeblebrox42

Posted 6:36 pm, 09/17/2021

the *** hat clown even.

Acumen

Posted 2:18 pm, 09/17/2021

I wonder, sparkling, do you enjoy being the clown?

Acumen

Posted 2:01 pm, 09/17/2021

If science don't have a clue then what would? That is about the stupdist thing I have seen you say.

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